Dragon ([info]ryuutchi) wrote,
@ 2008-05-16 10:35:00
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Current mood: aggravated
Entry tags:feminism, rant, suckiness, supernatural

I suppose I should...
Right, Supernatural. Last episode of the season.


Yeah, you saw that right.

See, the thing is I want to like the show. The boys are attractive. As a general rule the plots are interesting. But...

I keep asking myself "how many more skanky race and gender issues does this show need to have before I just give up?"

I'm still not sure, but when, at then end of a dramatic episode, where the main character ends up in hell with a meathook through his shoulder, I feel vindicated because he was a complete douchebag hypocrite to a woman who was going to hell (and he made rape jokes at her), and then engaged in slutshaming another woman in the finale?

Yeah.

It was a good episode. Very dramatic. Not too many narm moments. Too much Bobby, but honestly, for the most part any Bobby is too much for me. (Is it too much to hope that his disappearance means he's dead? Plz?) For the most part structured well. Some genuine creepy moments.

OTOH, mythology failure begins to get on my nerves after a while. If you want us to believe you do the research at least pretend to use some of it. Someone early in the season mentioned that Lilith is a "psychosexual demon" Yeah, would you stop it with the little kid thing? I know little kids are creepy, but Lilith is a full-grown demon, y'all.

And this is all ignoring the total failure of the main characters to grow or change or have any sort of emotional continuity in any meaningful way. (Yes, I remember Mystery Spot. Where is that coldness from Mystery Spot in the finale? Rottenfish and Bree over on JF pointed out too that Bela wouldn't have made the guys look half so dumb if they'd learned from their first experience with her. And also, why don't the boys ever seem to think about characters they've left behind or touched-- like Cassie or Ellen or Jo or Missouri.) They're supremely self-centered, but I'm supposed to like them. And... I kind of don't right now. Quite the opposite, in fact. The end of the season made me gleeful.

And I think that may mean I really need to take a break. From the show, from fandom. All of it.

Well, except from [info]cunnilingusfic. They're doing a "Eat Bela Out Challenge". I'm okay with that. Also, I will break this intended fast if someone writes Sam/Lilith.

ETA: ... well, that was a little more bitter than I was expecting.

ETA2: I should note this mostly means I'm taking almost all of the comms off my flist. I'm probably not gonna defriend anyone unless this drives me into a depressive funk.


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[info]ryuutchi
2008-05-16 08:15 pm UTC (link)
My frustration comes from the fact that you think I'm trying to change you morally. I had issues with Bela's episode because I thought the writers, and by extension the characters were being really skanky. I wasn't trying to change your opinion, I was talking about what I was seeing. You're free to disagree, but you shut down all conversation.

Like the "reading a spoilery LJ entry" Which a) wasn't spoilery, b) wasn't an entry (all I read to you was the sum of the comment-- it was all of two sentences) and c) was a JOKE. But, I suppose the humor in the joke comes from the assumption that most people would see "slut" as a pretty sexist thing to say regardless of context. I wasn't trying to make a political statement, I was trying to make a joke.

I don't make statements out of thin air. I make then when something happens in the show that strikes me. Some people yelp when a creepy child walks in the room. I say "oh hey!" It's a response. I do my best to suppress it most of the time-- hell, I haven't said much of anything during the shows for the past month or so. I've tried not to because I know you don't like it. That I occasionally make a comment is not me attempting to change your mind. It's me making note of something on a TV show, because sometimes I point stuff out aloud.

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[info]tiferet
2008-05-16 08:32 pm UTC (link)
I hate to say this but what we have here is a matter of perspective. You think you don't say much because you say less than what you would say at home. I did not grow up in a household where people talk over each other all the time. I also have (as I've told you before) an auditory learning issue, which means that when you talk during the actual dialoguey parts of the show, at length (more than a yelp, entire sentences, maybe even three at once) I literally cannot hear what the actors are saying. So to me, it seems like you never shut up, especially when you also call your girlfriend and wander back and forth into the room where we're watching the show and do not lower your voice when you come into the room where the show is on. (Well, you usually do do that afterward, when we're watching something else, but if I haven't seen that something else before, it's still annoying.)

I can't invite Seanan to come over while you're there because she would completely and totally kill you. Despite the fact that Seanan is anti-Wincest and a Dean/Jo shipper, I actually can watch SPN with her more easily than with you because all I have to do to not piss her off is to not make too many comments about the subtext.

And yes, it's more annoying when it's about sexism. Not because I think you're oversensitive. But because you use more words and longer sentences and I miss more of the show. I get why you think it's gross when Dean says certain things. You don't have to explain it.

Like the "reading a spoilery LJ entry" Which a) wasn't spoilery, b) wasn't an entry (all I read to you was the sum of the comment-- it was all of two sentences) and c) was a JOKE.

Has it really escaped your attention over the last two years that I don't actually like jokes when I'm into something that is kind of heavy?

But, I suppose the humor in the joke comes from the assumption that most people would see "slut" as a pretty sexist thing to say regardless of context.

I'm kind of offended by the notion that you think I think this is an okay word to say just because I don't have a problem with someone using it in the context of demons are about to kill me, I will go to hell and be tortured eternally by them, they are currently giving me hallucinations, and you want me to co-operate with one.

In general, yes, "slut" is a pretty sexist thing to say regardless of context. But when I say "regardless of context," I mean "regardless of most contexts that are actually likely to happen in the real world".

I am willing to bet that the things which would come out of my mouth in the same situation that Dean was in would be equally shocking. They might be a different kind of shocking, but they would almost without doubt be ugly.

Edited at 2008-05-16 08:39 pm UTC

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